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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: King of The Oonie, April 30 2011, P.M. -Final Results Reply with quote

PLAYERS MEETING

Tee Times and Starting Holes

In the tradition of using work resources to generate the pairings I wrote some code to randomly generate them.

Hole 9 Starts

9:00 am - Andrew Vallee vs. Ben Svetkoff

9:10 am - Shane Kilpatrick vs. Adam Crupi

Hole 2 Starts

9:05 am - Geoff Rowland vs. Rob Doucette

9:15 am - Stefan Dobrev vs. Mark Atos


The first person is in charge of making sure that there is a score card among them.

General

Be at your starting tee for your start time.

You are traveling in twosomes.

We are playing The Kanata Disc Golf Course, Kanata, Ontario. We will be using the new hole numbering configuration ie Hole 1 is the hole by the new building, hole 9 is the one going back to the parking lot by the ball diamond.

First Round will be Kanata Shorts. Holes numbered 3, 4, and 8 will be “island” holes. Paint and flags will be used to mark the edge of the islands. If you end up in the rough behind any of the holes you are safe and you just have to fight out of the thorny jail. As you can see, 3 and 8 share the same island. This was done to save any hassles that might arise if you land on the other's island. In the images 2 is 3, 3, 4 and 7 is 8.



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The Second Round will be Kanata Longs and the islands will be in play.

Championship Round will be 2 rounds of nine holes (Kanata Shorts followed by Kanata Longs). Island holes will be in play for BOTH rounds.

If at the end of 9 holes - for Rounds 1-2 - there is a tie, the match will continue to the next hole in numercial order and proceed in numerical order until a hole is won outright. Sudden death, if you will. And you will.

If at the end of the Championship Round 18 holes there is a tie, the match will continue Sudden Death style, starting at #1 Longs, #2 Longs, #9 Longs, then start at #1 Shorts, #2 Shorts, #9 Shorts and then back to #1 Longs, etc.

You need only play the amount of holes needed to determine a winner. There are no ties.

$10 Registration fee + $2 a round you play.

Loonie tournie will happen right after the first round.

Holing Out


803.13 Holing Out

B. Disc Entrapment Devices: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains or within one of the entrapment sections. This includes a disc wedged into or hanging from the lower entrapment section but excludes a disc resting on top of, or hanging outside of, the upper entrapment section. The disc must also remain within the chains or entrapment sections until removed.

Your opponent may also pick your disc up and concede a hole.

OB

We will be trying some different rules when it comes to “OB”.

Stay in the Park Rule.

If your disc leaves the park you must re-throw from your previous lie. You are not allowed to play your next shot from: A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds.

If your disc comes to a rest on a road – it has left the park - you must re-throw from your previous lie. You are not allowed to play your next shot from: A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds.

If you end up over the path and the chain-link-fence, that is in middle of the cedar hedge, along #9 and #1, you have left the park, and you must re-throw from your previous lie. You are not allowed to play your next shot from: A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds.

Going over the path (and staying on the park side of the chain link fence) is still in the park, but is still “OB” (OB In The Park) and you may use any of the disc golf rules governing OB.
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B. A player whose disc is considered out-of-bounds shall receive one penalty throw. The player may elect to play the next shot from:
(1) The previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved from an approximate lie, as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official;
or (2) A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. This holds true even if the direction takes the lie closer to the hole;
or (3) Within the designated Drop Zone, if provided. These options may be limited by the tournament director as a special condition (see 804.01).
There will be no Drop Zones provided.

Having your disc come to rest on the track (on #5 and possibly #4) is considered OB In The Park and can be treated with any of the disc golf rules governing OB.

The fence on #8 will not be considered for an OB line. During Round 1, Round 3 and the Championship Round, the island will be in play.

The baseball diamond will be IB and play as it lies - unless there are OPU (other park users) using the area, then it will be OB In The Park and can be treated with the disc golf rules governing OB.

When playing the “island” holes and your disc does not come to rest on an island you must re-throw from your previous lie. You are not allowed to play your next shot from: A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds.

The Rough

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803.05 Obstacles and Relief
A. Obstacles to a Stance or Throwing Motion: Players must choose a stance which results in the least movement of any part of any obstacle except as allowed for casual obstacles by 803.05 C. No relief is granted from park equipment (such as signs, trash cans, picnic tables, etc.) as they are considered part of the course. Once a legal stance is taken, a player may not move an obstacle (or hold it back or bend it) in order to make room for a throwing motion. It is legal for a player’s throwing motion to make incidental movement of an obstacle.

B. Obstacles Between the Lie and Hole: A player may not move, alter, bend, break, or hold back any part of any obstacle, including casual obstacles, between the lie and the hole, with one exception: A player may move obstacles between the lie and the hole that became a factor during the round, such as spectators, players’ equipment, open gates, or branches that fell during the round. Where it is not known if an obstacle has become a factor during a round, it shall not be moved. It is legal for a player’s throwing motion to make incidental movement of an obstacle.

C. Casual Obstacles: A player may obtain relief only from the following obstacles: casual water, loose leaves or debris, broken branches no longer connected to a tree, motor vehicles, harmful insects or animals, players’ equipment, spectators, or any item or area specifically designated by the director before the round. Obstacles may not be moved if any part of the obstacle is between the lie and the hole. The type of relief a player may obtain is based on the location of the obstacle and is limited as follows:
(1) Casual obstacles between the lie and the hole: A player may move obstacles which became a factor during the round as described by 803.05 B.
(2) Casual obstacles to stance or throwing motion: The player must first attempt to remove the obstacle unless a portion of the obstacle is also between the lie and the hole. If it is impractical to move the obstacle, or if a portion of the obstacle is also between the lie and the hole, the player’s lie may be relocated to the nearest lie which is no closer to the hole, is on the line of play, and is not more than five meters from the original lie, as agreed to by a majority of the group or an official (unless greater casual relief is announced by the director). Alternatively, the player may declare an unplayable lie and proceed in accordance with 803.06.
(3) Casual obstacles to a run-up: The player may move the obstacle provided no part of the obstacle is between the lie and the hole. No other relief is provided.

D. In situations where it is unclear if an object may be moved or other relief obtained, it shall be determined by a majority of the group or an official.

E. A player shall receive one penalty throw, without a warning, for violation of an obstacle or relief rule.

F. A player who purposely damages anything on the course shall receive two penalty throws, without a warning, if observed by two or more players of the group or an official. The player may also be disqualified from the tournament, in accordance with section 804.05 A (2).


Other Rules of Disc Golf

As we all know, most DG rules are inforced with "two or more players" needed to call anything. This will be impossible as we are traveling in twosomes. So be honest and be fair and be aware of your actions.

Lunch
This is a bring your own lunch affair but you probably wont need one. With only two rounds before the championship I plan on having just a short break between round 2 and the championship round. After the tourney I'm go to be stopping at 'Mucho Burrito' for food.

And All the Other Stuff

You need TWOONIES!! And a Ten $$ bill. But you really need TWOONIES!! (You'll only need 4 Twoonies to go all the way, but if you don't go all the way you'll need Loonies as well.)

And if you're not a current ODGC Member you will need +$5 (+$8 ODSA Insurance). We will be accepting 2011 Dues at the Oonie.

The Players Meeting thread will officially be closed at 5 pm on Friday. There will be no more information posted after this time. Any more info that I become aware of will be posted on the Kanata DGC main sign, Saturday morning.

If you have any questions, comments, need clarification or have concerns please do not hesitate to PM Steve Rydell.

FAQ

Question/Concern:

Just the track or the track and the old gravel running beside the track. It is half grass and half gravel with unclear lines. Don't want this to become an issue

Answer:

There is an asphalt curb that runs along the sides of the track. This will be the OB line for the track. In places were the curb is not as apparent a green OB line is painted. Anything coming to rest on the track, or in the middle of the track (football field) will also be considered OB In The Park.

Question/Concern:

2m rule?

Answer:

Nope.

Question/Concern:

With 'islands' on 3 of the holes there may be some issues arising when a player may throw, and it's not for certain if the disc came to rest within the line that defines the border of the island. So to save time and the added walk a player has the option to take a PROVISIONAL throw.

PDGA wrote:
803.01 General

...
C. Provisional Throws. Provisional throws are extra throws that are not added to a player's score if they are not ultimately used in completion of the hole. The use of provisional throws is encouraged in all situations where there is a question regarding a thrower's lie and a provisional would speed play or when the thrower questions the group's or official's ruling. The unused throws shall not be added to the thrower's score nor treated as practice throws if the player announces that such additional throws are made as provisional throws prior to taking them. Provisional throws are appropriate in the following circumstances:

(1) To save time: A player may declare a provisional throw any time (a) the status of a disc cannot immediately be determined, and (b) the majority of the group agrees that playing a provisional throw may save time, and (c) the original throw may be out of bounds, lost, or have missed a mandatory. When proceeding under this type of provisional the thrower shall complete the hole from whichever of the two throws is deemed by the group or an official as the appropriate lie according to the rules.
(2) To appeal the group's or an official's ruling: A set of provisional throws may be taken to complete a hole pursuant to 803.01 D(3) when the player disagrees with the majority group decision and an official is not readily available, or if the player wishes to appeal the decision of an official. The scores from both sets of throws shall be recorded. The proper ruling and score are then determined by the director at the end of the round.

Question/Concern:
If you miss an island, or you land OB, you ARE NOT allowed to retrieve your disc and use it again to make the penalty throw (unless you are putting - within 30' of the basket).


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the 2nd round pairings drawn randomly or is that the tree what is at the top of the post?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second round pairings will be drawn randomly from the winners of round 1.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When only playing in twosomes, what is the procedure for calling a falling putt, stance violation, etc?. There is no other player to second it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumber wrote:
When only playing in twosomes, what is the procedure for calling a falling putt, stance violation, etc?. There is no other player to second it.


I was wondering that too and found a statement in last year's players meeting;

BBP wrote:
Other Rules of Disc Golf

As we all know, most DG rules are enforced with "two or more players" needed to call anything. This will be impossible as we are traveling in twosomes. So be honest and be fair and be aware of your actions.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumber wrote:
When only playing in twosomes, what is the procedure for calling a falling putt, stance violation, etc?. There is no other player to second it.


Knife fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xy2HzYra_s&feature=fvwrel


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Rolly wrote:
Thumber wrote:
When only playing in twosomes, what is the procedure for calling a falling putt, stance violation, etc?. There is no other player to second it.


Knife fight.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andros wrote:
Thumber wrote:
When only playing in twosomes, what is the procedure for calling a falling putt, stance violation, etc?. There is no other player to second it.


I was wondering that too and found a statement in last year's players meeting;

BBP wrote:
Other Rules of Disc Golf

As we all know, most DG rules are enforced with "two or more players" needed to call anything. This will be impossible as we are traveling in twosomes. So be honest and be fair and be aware of your actions.


That same line is in this years players meeting too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops....busted
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There ya go, I must have missed it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure how this island thing works. Are we supposed to land in the islands or avoid them?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Land on the islands. Outside the island is OB.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ottawa_adam wrote:
I'm not sure how this island thing works. Are we supposed to land in the islands or avoid them?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: King of The Oonie, April 30 2011, Players Meeting Reply with quote

Steve Rydell wrote:
Tee Times and Starting Holes

Hole 9 Starts

9:00 am - Andrew Vallee vs. Ben Svetkoff

9:10 am - Shane Kilpatrick vs. Adam Crupi

Hole 2 Starts

9:05 am - Geoff Rowland vs. Rob Doucette

9:15 am - Stefan Dobrev vs. Mark Atos


It seems to me as though the tee times as posted could result in the Hole 9 Starts having to wait for the Hole 2 starts. i.e., if Adam or Shane wins 9 short and 1 short with birdies, there's a possibility that they'll be at the hole 2 tee by 9:17, and potentially waiting for Stefan and I to finish hole 2. For better flow, can I make the suggestion that the start times be reversed, such that Hole 2 starts are at 9:00 and 9:10, and the Hole 9 starts are 9:05 and 9:15?

Just a suggestion.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we need to land in the islands from where we tee off for the applicable holes?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So we need to land in the islands from where we tee off for the applicable holes?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So we need to land in the islands from where we tee off for the applicable holes?


Correct. You have t land on the island or you must re-tee. The islands are pretty big
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: King of The Oonie, April 30 2011, Players Meeting Reply with quote

lissyssil wrote:
Steve Rydell wrote:
Tee Times and Starting Holes

Hole 9 Starts

9:00 am - Andrew Vallee vs. Ben Svetkoff

9:10 am - Shane Kilpatrick vs. Adam Crupi

Hole 2 Starts

9:05 am - Geoff Rowland vs. Rob Doucette

9:15 am - Stefan Dobrev vs. Mark Atos


It seems to me as though the tee times as posted could result in the Hole 9 Starts having to wait for the Hole 2 starts. i.e., if Adam or Shane wins 9 short and 1 short with birdies, there's a possibility that they'll be at the hole 2 tee by 9:17, and potentially waiting for Stefan and I to finish hole 2. For better flow, can I make the suggestion that the start times be reversed, such that Hole 2 starts are at 9:00 and 9:10, and the Hole 9 starts are 9:05 and 9:15?

Just a suggestion.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ottawa_adam wrote:
So we need to land in the islands from where we tee off for the applicable holes?


I believe so for all of them the answer is yes, but it might be waved on a hole or 2....

Yeah, some exciting holes out there, this aint your grandady's Kanata course
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: King of The Oonie, April 30 2011, Players Meeting Reply with quote

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