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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: When a Falling Putt Becomes a Cheat Putt Reply with quote

Before anyone gets too excited about jump putting and the wonderful things you can do when you jump putt, you need to know that a jump putt can easily become a cheat putt.

You likely won't even realize you're doing it either. Then the guys on your card will call you out, and you'll have to make the shot again or (gasp) take a penalty stroke. Then you'll have to learn how to putt again without cheating.

Here are the rules:
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803.04 Stance, Subsequent to Teeing Off
A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.04 E); and,
(2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; and,
(3) have all of his or her supporting points in-bounds.

When you release the disc, your foot (or supporting point) must be in contact with the playing surface.
That means that if this player releases the disc, it is a stance violation:

The disc is still in the player's hand, but he has left the ground, violating 803.04 A (1).

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B. Stepping past the marker disc is permitted after the disc is released, except when putting within 10 meters.

This allows you to drive and step past the pad on follow-through.

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C. Any throw from within 10 meters or less, as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the hole, is considered a putt. A follow-through after a putt that causes the thrower to make any supporting point contact closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc constitutes a falling putt and is considered a stance violation . The player must demonstrate full control of balance before advancing toward the hole.

This is what forces you to throw a certain way inside of 10m. The 10m aspect is artificial and arbitrary IMO.

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F. A stance violation must be clearly called within three seconds after the infraction to be valid. The call may be made by any member of the group or an official. When the call is made by a member of the group, it must subsequently be confirmed by another member of the group. A player shall receive a warning for the first violation of a stance rule in the round. Subsequent violations of a stance rule in the same round shall incur a one-throw penalty.

This means that to call the player above, two people have to be watching for it. That makes it a difficult rule to enforce. Also, it doesn't actually "cost" a player until it happens twice. That means that if you want to put an end to the illegal jump putt, you need to call it the first time you see it. Make the player stop right away. You are doing them and the game a favor by enforcing the rules, especially this one.

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G. Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation may not be used by the thrower. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie, prior to subsequent play by others in the group.

If it goes in, it doesn't count. If it misses, it doesn't count.

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H. The player may not retrieve the originally thrown disc prior to the re-throw, except in the case of a putt from within 10 meters. Where a disc is retrieved in violation of this rule, a one throw penalty shall be imposed without a warning.

If you are called for an illegal jump putt, you may not go and get your disc. You must use a different one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That jump putt is such a cheat putt that the marker isn't even in the frame.

This rule ensures that long-jumpers don't show up and dominate the game with their introduction of the 30+ foot "dunk putt".
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably should have blanked out the cheater's feet, too... laughing laughing laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother Andre wrote:
Probably should have blanked out the cheater's feet, too... laughing laughing laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck Shick wrote:
...This rule ensures that long-jumpers don't show up and dominate the game with their introduction of the 30+ foot "dunk putt".

It would make a travesty of game to allow this.

I have personal issues with the "no follow-through within 10m" rule. It's akin to forcing ball golfers to hold their club a certain way. If the rule didn't exist, people would make more putts from inside of 20', sure, but would it really change the game all that much?

You can just see the origins of this rule. Noted figures like Stork Roddick, Steady Ed Headrick, and Crazy John were shooting a round when 8'11" tall Stork steps forward and dunks a 15-footer. Crazy John, all 4'8" of him, complains that it isn't fair that taller players can dunk shots, and that they should have to show some grace and control when making thier finishing shots.

"They should have to putt like this," says John as he plants his stubby shoes, adjusts his coke bottle glasses, then flips the disc towards the basket, raising his throwing hand straight in the air and striking a pose reminiscent of that in a Britanny Spears video.

Ed, on seeing the triumphant John, and realizing that he would never be able to dunk like Stork, then declares "Stork, we're making a rule to keep you from doing that. It just isn't fair to John."

John smiles and gives Ed a wink. "Nice," he thinks. "Now to do something about those long arms."
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother Andre wrote:
Probably should have blanked out the cheater's feet, too...

For the record, I'm not calling anyone a cheater. The photo does not reveal if the barefoot player was practice jumping, or if they actually made the throw.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he was playing ultimate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilder wrote:
Maybe he was playing ultimate.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother Andre wrote:
Wilder wrote:
Maybe he was playing ultimate.


TRAVEL!


He was catching a disc. big grin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats wrong with you guys? Its obvious hes flighing
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