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Splash
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Ice League - Jan. 19th - Flat Mountain Reply with quote

Our next Ice League event will be held at the Flat Mountain course in Mountain, ON.

Driving directions and other info on the site can be found on our site here:
http://www.odgc.ca/?s=c&ss=fm

In addition, here is a google map link:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104475172213645064527.000441309d0794b38d7d7&z=17&om=0

Ice Putt starts up at 11:30. League itself should get underway by 12:15. Please arrive on time.

League fees: $6 if you have pre-paid for the Ice Bowl ; otherwise $8

Half of your $6 fee goes to the payout, $2 to the charity (Ottawa Food Bank) and $1 to the Ace Pool. The extra $2 for those yet unregistered for the Ice Bowl goes to the charity as well.

If you'd like a ride, just send me a message either on Facebook, here in the forum, or by e-mail:

don.lane AT rogers.com
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From montreal, its probably shortest to take 417 to Limoges exit (#79), go south to route 400, then straight west on 400 until Stage Coach Rd. You'll pass Bank St (hwy 31) first... and 400 also changes names along the way. By the time you reach Stage Coach Rd, 400 has become Dalmeny Rd. Anyway, then turn south on Stage Coach (you're 5 minutes away) until French Settlement Rd. West on French Settlement for 1km. voila!

Dogs are welcome too.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See you all out at Flat Mountain!!!

~Don~
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember yesterday I asked if I can hold onto an object behind my lie?
Which rule says that I cant.... Don... Ben?
I looked through, and I cant find any that says such, the closest scenario I can find is:


803.04-->
(2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc;

Can anyone else find anything that says one is not allowed to support himself using something behind his/her lie?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolly:
http://www.pdga.com/rulesqa.php

And choose:
Maintaining Balance While Putting

I don't know the specific situation, but as long as you don't move it and it's behind your lie, it's legal.

Quote:
Rule Question: Maintaining balance while putting
Question

"I have a good rules question for you involving the stance rules. A player uses an object (in this case a branch) behind him to maintain balance for a putt. First, would this be considered "full control of balance"? Second, could you argue, if the branch is not so large that the players body weight will not move it, that it is a violation of 803.03 D and or 803.04 A because they could have moved the branch less by not hanging on it? Thanks for any input."
Response

The question can be boiled down to: Can a player hold on to an object behind his lie to maintain balance while throwing/putting?

Applicable rules:

* 803.04 (Stance)
* 803.05 (Obstacles and Relief)
* 804.05 (Disqualification and Suspension)

Discussion:

The rules do not require that you maintain your balance while putting. You can have a grand mal seizure as long as you don't step ahead of your lie. At the time you decide to step ahead of your lie is when you have to demonstrate balance. This is simply to prove that you are not committing a falling putt, such that you would not be able to stop yourself from falling forward due to the motion of your putt. Grabbing a branch is merely acquiring another support point, which is perfectly legal, as long as it is not ahead of your lie.

Holding on to something BEHIND your lie is not prohibited by the rules, provided that the tree that the golfer is using as a supporting point is in-bounds (803.03.A (3)).

The branch must not be moved, or else the player would be in violation of one or both of 803.04.D and 803.05.A, which require you to take the stance that results in the least movement of objects that are part of the course and which prohibit you from moving a branch to "make room for a throwing motion".

Conclusion:

A player can hold on to something behind her lie, in certain circumstances, without violating the PDGA rules. In general that which is not prohibited by the PDGA rules is allowed, provided of course, that the action done by the player is not considered "a willful attempt to circumvent the rules of play". (This, of course, is cheating!)

Other Comments:

Many members of the committee have actually tried to hold on to some object behind their lie, while leaning forward to throw or putt. In our opinion this action makes the ensuing throw/putt MORE difficult to accomplish.
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Rolly
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, as long as what your supporting on does not move is what I Understand. Which is good because there is not alot of trees my skinny ass can move
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