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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gate to the parking lot is closed.

Park in front of my car.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The white stuff makes it more fun .. must have been nice at VMP !
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome day and course, kudos to the design team thumbsup
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Awesome day and course, kudos to the design team thumbsup


Agreed. The changes are great. 12 is one of the best golf holes I have ever played.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second Ice League of the 2013-2014 season held at Vincent Massey Park brought out 23 participants.

In the end it was the team of Jason Lepack and Andrew Vallée who edged the rest of the field by a stroke with a score of 67.

1. Andrew Vallée & Jason Lepack (67,-11)
2=. Mike McCormick & Stacie Sivyer (68,-10) *
2=. Cali Jeff Lariviere (68,-10) *
4. Serge Seguin & Jess Chartrand (69,-9)
5=. Alex Wierdsma & Mark Atos (70,-8 )
5=. Ryan Briggs & Steve Crane (70,-8 )
7=. Gavin Schnobb & Ben Houle (72,-6)
7=. Shane Kilpatrick & Mike Pearce (72,-6)
7=. Claus Reitlingshoefer & Adrian Meunier (72,-6)
10. Aaron James & Marc-André Breau (78, Par)
11. Mike Adams & Jamie Joss (80,+2)
12. Errol Melancon & Ben Svetkoff (81,+3)


*: The tie for 2nd place was good for $10 a team, so $5 ea. goes to Stace and McMike and OMR gets $10.

Ice League will resume this Saturday November 30th at the Ettyville DGC.

IL point standings have been updated and can be seen HERE
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumber wrote:
surge wrote:
Awesome day and course, kudos to the design team thumbsup


Agreed. The changes are great. 12 is one of the best golf holes I have ever played.


What were the thoughts on the baskets on the picnic tables? Saw Old Man hit one from downtown.

(Nice round, Old Man)
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What were the thoughts on the baskets on the picnic tables? Saw Old Man hit one from downtown.


It forced my team to adopt a strategy that someone lays it up and someone goes for it.

Very risk/reward.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
Thumber wrote:
surge wrote:
Awesome day and course, kudos to the design team thumbsup


Agreed. The changes are great. 12 is one of the best golf holes I have ever played.


What were the thoughts on the baskets on the picnic tables? Saw Old Man hit one from downtown.

(Nice round, Old Man)


Thx bud.

I like the danger of the elevated baskets just because of the risk of the missed comeback putt if u missed the first putt. What I didn't like was using the rule of verticality when caught in a PTB cuz those tables are frikkin slippy! Better to have casual relief I would think.
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I like the danger of the elevated baskets just because of the risk of the missed comeback putt if u missed the first putt.


Soooo bring back the auger for this weekend?? eek
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I like the danger of the elevated baskets just because of the risk of the missed comeback putt if u missed the first putt.


Soooo bring back the auger for this weekend?? eek


Can you put it on a picnic table? smile
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andros wrote:
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I like the danger of the elevated baskets just because of the risk of the missed comeback putt if u missed the first putt.


Soooo bring back the auger for this weekend?? eek


Can you put it on a picnic table? smile


Being "that kind" is simply not in my nature...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andros wrote:
Jefrey A. Brother wrote:

What were the thoughts on the baskets on the picnic tables? Saw Old Man hit one from downtown.


It forced my team to adopt a strategy that someone lays it up and someone goes for it.

Very risk/reward.


Those baskets are already very small. I thought it was an interesting touch, but actually took a great deal of aggression out of putting. Soft floaty putts.

It was definitely thinking time if player 1 blew by. Almost completely eliminated going for it. Even the lay ups were tough

I liked it for that event but wouldn't like it in any sort of permanent setting.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In general, one of the criticisms directed at disc golf, especially for the top pros, is that the putting is too easy.

I've noticed a growing trend at tournaments to include elevated baskets. Some courses even have permanent long poles for a few baskets.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not easy with the baskets we used at IL.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Beny for helping me setup the VMP course on Sat.

And thanks to everyone who brought back the baskets and flags afterwards. thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken Darcovich wrote:
In general, one of the criticisms directed at disc golf, especially for the top pros, is that the putting is too easy.

I've noticed a growing trend at tournaments to include elevated baskets. Some courses even have permanent long poles for a few baskets.


This makes for the cheap equivalent of a steep green in my honest opinion. Would you bang a put down a steep slope in bolf or make a reasonable lag putt?

The inverse proportionality of the situation is a bit ironic.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Pytel wrote:
Ken Darcovich wrote:
In general, one of the criticisms directed at disc golf, especially for the top pros, is that the putting is too easy.

I've noticed a growing trend at tournaments to include elevated baskets. Some courses even have permanent long poles for a few baskets.


This makes for the cheap equivalent of a steep green in my honest opinion. Would you bang a put down a steep slope in bolf or make a reasonable lag putt?

The inverse proportionality of the situation is a bit ironic.


Heavy on the cheap. Elevated baskets are not my preference at all. They force a really strange putting stroke. It is very different than being up hill or downhill. At least on a steep green you can putt aggressively up hill and smooth with lots of spin downhill.

If we went back to VMP it would be interesting to see the scoring spread with the baskets on the ground
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Thumber wrote:
John Pytel wrote:
Ken Darcovich wrote:
In general, one of the criticisms directed at disc golf, especially for the top pros, is that the putting is too easy.

I've noticed a growing trend at tournaments to include elevated baskets. Some courses even have permanent long poles for a few baskets.


This makes for the cheap equivalent of a steep green in my honest opinion. Would you bang a put down a steep slope in bolf or make a reasonable lag putt?

The inverse proportionality of the situation is a bit ironic.


Heavy on the cheap. Elevated baskets are not my preference at all. They force a really strange putting stroke. It is very different than being up hill or downhill. At least on a steep green you can putt aggressively up hill and smooth with lots of spin downhill.

If we went back to VMP it would be interesting to see the scoring spread with the baskets on the ground


Cheap as in $$$.

Steep in bolf comes in many flavours. Call it risk / reward or even margin of error driven.

This is why putting in Pineview or Agusta are considerably different over equal elevation. In frolf there is little "grooming" that can be done to achieve the equivalent variables.

It's actually cool as it's different then a true up or downhill frold putt. A third option for design and arguably the only option when it is flat.
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It's actually cool as it's different then a true up or downhill frold putt. A third option for design and arguably the only option when it is flat.


I don't agree. Good pin placement on the green is a far better way to increase risk / reward.

You should have come out to VMP and tried them out. Those cloth baskets are very small and adding difficulty to them was novel, but not much fun (MY OPINION).
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumber wrote:
John Pytel wrote:


It's actually cool as it's different then a true up or downhill frold putt. A third option for design and arguably the only option when it is flat.


I don't agree. Good pin placement on the green is a far better way to increase risk / reward.

You should have come out to VMP and tried them out. Those cloth baskets are very small and adding difficulty to them was novel, but not much fun (MY OPINION).


I can't say introducing 2 difficulties on a green is better. I wasn't basing what I had to say about elevated baskets on VMP layout.

On a flat wide open hole, say like 17 at Ettyville, it works to create the effect of an elevated green on your approach shot and putt. Most cost efficient way to do that. Would I do that on 18 holes? Never.
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