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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder what impact if any the 3D printing technology will have on the industry?

Little in the short term, I imagine.

There are those nagging little technology bits where modern 3D printers don't make products out of the plastics you would want a disc to be made of. Also, disc models have profiles that don't fit well into the design specifications most 3D printers demand (in short: they'll require LOTS of post-production modifications).

Then there are the political reasons.
You can start with:
The PDGA has a lock on which discs can be used in competition. And their approval process isn't friendly to one-offs.

HOWEVER, I TOTALLY WANT TO throw my own printed and enthusiastically post-production modified plastic, and would like to be able to compete with it as well. If it conforms with diameter, weight, and surface requirements, why should I not be allowed to?

I think the only answers to that are:

The PDGA says no.
Who would be responsible for measuring the discs for fairness? TD's? Owners, subject to measurements by TD's?
The PDGA isn't likely going to allow me to request an approval of my design because I'm not making runs of 1000 or something silly like that.

I'm free to play with what I want when I'm not competing, though.

If only the PDGA would set us free...

Here's the 3D printer for the discs I'd like to make:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If only the PDGA would set us free...

Freedom is slavery my friend big grin
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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burjwahzeh wrote:

If only the PDGA would set us free...

Freedom is slavery my friend big grin


Point.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burjwahzeh wrote:
surge wrote:
I wonder what impact if any the 3D printing technology will have on the industry?

Little in the short term, I imagine.

There are those nagging little technology bits where modern 3D printers don't make products out of the plastics you would want a disc to be made of. Also, disc models have profiles that don't fit well into the design specifications most 3D printers demand (in short: they'll require LOTS of post-production modifications).

Then there are the political reasons.
You can start with:
The PDGA has a lock on which discs can be used in competition. And their approval process isn't friendly to one-offs.

HOWEVER, I TOTALLY WANT TO throw my own printed and enthusiastically post-production modified plastic, and would like to be able to compete with it as well. If it conforms with diameter, weight, and surface requirements, why should I not be allowed to?

I think the only answers to that are:

The PDGA says no.
Who would be responsible for measuring the discs for fairness? TD's? Owners, subject to measurements by TD's?
The PDGA isn't likely going to allow me to request an approval of my design because I'm not making runs of 1000 or something silly like that.

I'm free to play with what I want when I'm not competing, though.

If only the PDGA would set us free...

Here's the 3D printer for the discs I'd like to make:


I'm not sure if anybody is a wood worker but you can get 3-d carving machines now at Busy Bee. Breaking out the wood discs...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Freedom is slavery my friend big grin
Yeah, Orwell got his line backwards, if I understand his book. "Slavery is freedom" is what he should have written to go with the rest of it. Anyways, I've changed my sig just for you, surge!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, I expect Marley was misquoted here. It should read "than" instead of "then".
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless he's got a different view of the afterlife...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

burjwahzeh wrote:
Of course, I expect Marley was misquoted here. It should read "than" instead of "then".

Unless the quote came from one of our own big grin
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got the opportunity to throw Mike's new Prodigy "blue" and "yellow" disc.

Nice plastic (and no, I don't think it's like Legacy's plastic). Interesting that the yellow disc has double the edge thickness than the blue disc.

Blue disc is overstable, but nice flight. Yellow is the understable fiend. Not a fan of the yellow, but could get to like bluey.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to the thread title. Feldberg is the next one;

http://vimeo.com/59041316
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't asking, were you asking?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Top Pro's leaving sponsors Reply with quote

Roxie wrote:
Anybody heard of anything else?


You were asking. First post.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Getting back to the thread title. Feldberg is the next one;



At the usdgc two years ago, Feldberg was on a card with me in the first round. On one of the tees while we were waiting for the fairway to clear, he declared it was costing him money standing there. Apparently Innova required the players they sponsored to attend the usdgc performance edition and since there was no money to win, Feldberg essentially lost money attending. Not surprised that if someone offered him a better deal he would switch.

It would be interesting to see what is in Feldberg's bag at the next tournament. He only had about 4 different discs he threw with 4 or 5 of each but in different states of being worn in. Can a pro like him truly switch all discs in his bag and compete without skipping a beat?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can a pro like him truly switch all discs in his bag and compete without skipping a beat?


I would say he'll skip a beat, but catch up pretty quickly.

Those two drivers you had at IL aren't horrible. As long as they do what they do all the time, you can fly around a course with them.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laughing I didn't watch the video. Feldberg is going with Latitude, not Prodigy.

I don't have an opinion on Latitude discs. Never thrown one.

My own fault for staying on topic.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point the prodigy marketing team should be getting rights to the "turn the beat around" song and run commercials for their pro's changing discs.

Love that song.

Turn the beat around.
Prodigy discs can make it happen...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
Mike McCormick wrote:
Can a pro like him truly switch all discs in his bag and compete without skipping a beat?


I would say he'll skip a beat, but catch up pretty quickly.



Unless the discs simply don't perform, a pro will adapt really quickly. Even with familiar discs, a lost disc replaced by a new one requires some recalibration (this is where disc-to-disc variation comes in...) and every player is doing this all the time. That said, a complete bag overhaul, multiplies this requirement.

Feldberg acknowledged this question in his video by wondering in non-PC manner, "Will it be the Indian or the arrows?"

Who would you rather have as your doubles partner? Feldberg with a bag of new discs, or me with my familiar bag of discs? There's your answer.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was referring to Feldberg. He's a little hi on himself.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this has been out there awhile. I didn't find this very funny, but then again I am an American. Maybe this will favour your less discerning Canadian comedy tastes. laughing


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenmlittle wrote:
Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
That Star PD, that's the Freak, right? Meldrum liked that one.


Yes. The only major problem with the mold, being that it's Discmania (Innova), they changed the bottom mold for the Champion runs to the plus bottom. However, Innova really takes their time with the Discmania runs and the plastic usually comes out grippier, prettier, and flatter.

I think the moral of the story is, yes there are close substitutes, but no magic discs yet that are better than the original Teebird, Firebird, or Roc. Although I would argue the PD could be seen as an improvement on the Teebird as you can get just a bit more controlled distance and glide.


Random quote for Discmania.

Kin,

Which Discmania disc is most like the Destroyer? Or is a big arm driver with some stability? Or do you have any stories about Discmania.

I've been looking at Wrightlife.
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