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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
...Why is making discs so hard? (I plan to never find out.)

I took a course that involved processing plastics in the lab. Without going into the details, it's really tough to dial in a "first run", and tough even just to keep an injection moulding process within specifications.

People make careers out of this stuff, and it didn't interest me enough to try and do it myself.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

burjwahzeh wrote:
Looks like a rookie business mistake.

I really think it's that simple.

There's an alternative outcome if they do get serious. If they dial in their quality, perhaps some of those early mold imperfections would become valuable wall discs.

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Ever wonder how many professional athletes don’t actually use their sponsors product and/or they’ve simply put their suppliers name on somebody else’s product?

This happens way more then you’d expect. I still wonder if Tiger really used Nike clubs at the beginning.

An uncle of mine used to mechanic F1 bikes and they dumped there sponsors oil out and filled the bottles with the stuff they needed to use.

Most of the energy drinks you see the athletes sipping on are all full of water or juice. Who could drink that stuff all day?

Prodigy stamp on who’s disc?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ever wonder how many professional athletes don’t actually use their sponsors product and/or they’ve simply put their suppliers name on somebody else’s product?
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It happens everywhere, all the time.

I'll never forget being told, "I wear my success."
I looked at my own shirt, and there were no logos.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ever wonder how many professional athletes don’t actually use their sponsors product and/or they’ve simply put their suppliers name on somebody else’s product?
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It happens everywhere, all the time.

I'll never forget being told, "I wear my success."
I looked at my own shirt, and there were no logos.


Me too and I saw "pit stains" as well....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and that was on a good day, too. big grin
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
...Why is making discs so hard? (I plan to never find out.)

I took a course that involved processing plastics in the lab. Without going into the details, it's really tough to dial in a "first run", and tough even just to keep an injection moulding process within specifications.

People make careers out of this stuff, and it didn't interest me enough to try and do it myself.


I wonder what impact if any the 3D printing technology will have on the industry?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuck Kennedy on DGCR posted that the first 5000 eek Prodigy discs will be stamped with a "proto" logo on them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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burjwahzeh wrote:
Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
...Why is making discs so hard? (I plan to never find out.)

I took a course that involved processing plastics in the lab. Without going into the details, it's really tough to dial in a "first run", and tough even just to keep an injection moulding process within specifications.

People make careers out of this stuff, and it didn't interest me enough to try and do it myself.


I wonder what impact if any the 3D printing technology will have on the industry?


3d Printing is going to impact everything.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Chuck Kennedy on DGCR posted that the first 5000 eek Prodigy discs will be stamped with a "proto" logo on them.


5000 Discs produced / 25 per store = 200 Shipments of proto logos

Doesn't seem completely out of line. I'd guess shipments like the Roc3 from Innova would have similar numbers. I just saw a post that Legacy, a relatively new company, already has 25,000 discs in stock at the warehouse.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... I just saw a post that Legacy, a relatively new company, already has 25,000 discs in stock at the warehouse.

I wouldn't doubt it, except that those discs need to end up in people's hands without Legacy having to give them away.

Is everyone seeing how tournament player's packs that include golf discs that nobody really wants are in fact a subsidy for the disc manufacturing industry?

Sold in blocks of 25, it'll take only 200 tournaments for Prodigy to exhaust their inventory.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From prodigy on fb

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Prodigy Disc would like to make vendors and competitors aware that a limited number of overweight D1 and D4 discs were recently released. Although these discs may vary in weight by only a few grams, they are not in compliance with PDGA technical standards and thus cannot be used in a PDGA sanctioned event. Fortunately this oversight was discovered early and only affected a very limited number of Prototypes. Prodigy has since taken the necessary measures to insure that all disc weights will be in conformance with PDGA standards moving forward.

Thank you for your support.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From prodigy on fb

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Prodigy Disc Announcement

Prodigy Disc would like to make vendors and competitors aware that a limited number of overweight D1 and D4 discs were recently released. Although these discs may vary in weight by only a few grams, they are not in compliance with PDGA technical standards and thus cannot be used in a PDGA sanctioned event. Fortunately this oversight was discovered early and only affected a very limited number of Prototypes. Prodigy has since taken the necessary measures to insure that all disc weights will be in conformance with PDGA standards moving forward.

Thank you for your support.

Sincerely,
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Thumber wrote:
From prodigy on fb

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Prodigy Disc Announcement

Prodigy Disc would like to make vendors and competitors aware that a limited number of overweight D1 and D4 discs were recently released. Although these discs may vary in weight by only a few grams, they are not in compliance with PDGA technical standards and thus cannot be used in a PDGA sanctioned event. Fortunately this oversight was discovered early and only affected a very limited number of Prototypes. Prodigy has since taken the necessary measures to insure that all disc weights will be in conformance with PDGA standards moving forward.

Thank you for your support.

Sincerely,
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Thing is Innova has been doing this for some time. The fb comments aren't pretty though
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thing is Innova has been doing this for some time. The fb comments aren't pretty though
Would you care to share any of what you read? I don't use facebook, and wouldn't know the first thing about finding prodigy comments there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thumber wrote:
Thing is Innova has been doing this for some time. The fb comments aren't pretty though
Would you care to share any of what you read? I don't use facebook, and wouldn't know the first thing about finding prodigy comments there.


Someone may but I do not sorry. Some sucker at a desk may be able to help u out

Prodigy is actually willing to replace any overweight disc and thinks players should not be using overweight discs in comp. good on them
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prodigy estimates that ~200 to 400 D1 discs were produced at 3+ grams over the PDGA weight limit of 174.3 grams. Prodigy is willing to replace overweight discs sent to vendors or already sold to players. Prodigy has been working with the PDGA to establish quality control measures that will ensure compliance with PDGA standards in the future.

The PDGA recognizes that some players prefer to throw discs that exceed the PDGA weight limit. But if a disc thrown by a player is confirmed by the TD to be over its legal weight, the owner is subject to a penalty ranging from 2 throws to disqualification depending on the severity of the infraction. Please think twice about knowingly using overweight discs so we can level the playing field for all players in PDGA events.


I PM'd Paul all of the comments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny. When the Discraft Stalker came out I did my usual check of the weights to make sure the discs I bought were all the same (all mental, I know, I know). Every Stalker marked 176g (max weight) actually was in the 180s and 190s. One pink one was 198g!

Ignorance is bliss...and saves you 2 strokes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefrey A. Brother wrote:
Funny. When the Discraft Stalker came out I did my usual check of the weights to make sure the discs I bought were all the same (all mental, I know, I know). Every Stalker marked 176g (max weight) actually was in the 180s and 190s. One pink one was 198g!

Ignorance is bliss...and saves you 2 strokes.


When I first started playing I thought I had an awesome advantage/secret because my favourite Magnet weighed 178g. Lulz
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a Wizard that I thought was up there. Loved it. Lost it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Ken. My favorites:

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How about the Giant chunks of stuff in the discs?

Ah, more value for collectors!

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The pdga allows a margin of error of 3 grams. So most of the "overweight" discs are actually still usable. I remember when I weighed my xcalibers and was amazed that some were weighing in at 179g+. This is more common than you think, from all brands.

No reference to source, but more common than you think is likely right. I've weighed new discs before and been surprised.

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Thanks for being honest Prodigy Disc.
I like this comment the best.

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I remember the first time I used the internet!
This reminded me of why I don't use fb.

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Lol @ all the people trying to scam prodigy out of free discs. You know this happens with every company, and you also know no TD scales players discs. Quit your bitching you're not " out of the money" (oh god) and play some golf
Everyone had such high expectations. I understand why some people are upset.

I still say rookie mistake by a rookie company. But coming clean was the best thing they could do, IMHO.

I think there's an underlying hope in all of this:
The same model disc will always be the same.

I'm still baffled at how long I've tolerate the whole
Aviar no bead / small bead / big bead / driver / P & A nonsense. It was enough to drive you crazy.

Same with Rocs.
Ontario / San Marino / and the whole other slew of variances that made buying a Roc and complete mystery to all but collectors with encyclopedic background.

I'm certainly enjoying the mayhem.
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