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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: A new rule book - not the PDGA Reply with quote

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SnapChing Rule Book
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the lost lie approach.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the lost lie approach.


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9. If your lie is lost, your groupmates deem where your thrown disc first rests.

When you’re “lost,” your problem isn’t that the disc is missing, it’s that you have no lie to play from. SnapChing’s “lost” rule is about losing your lie, not about losing your disc. (There are situations, on the field of play, where you know where your disc is but you don’t know where your lie is; and vice versa.)

When your group agrees that your lie is lost, your groupmates (and not you) will deem where your disc first rested. Their relief spot may give you a slight advantage or disadvantage, compared to finding your disc. But on average you’ll score the same, from the relief lie, as if you hadn’t lost your lie. This relief is equitable to the whole field, and it lets play continue fairly without need for any penalty.

Actually there’s a much more important reason NOT TO PENALIZE losing lies. Losing a lie is something you often can’t help doing – like you can’t help hanging your disc up in a tree. Blind hole designs, ill winds, swamps, thieving dogs . . . your lie may get lost no matter how well you throw and watch. Since penalties in sports have only one legitimate purpose – to guide you to develop skill to avoid doing specific acts – then it’s senseless to penalize an act that you can’t develop skill to avoid doing.

(Likewise SnapChing never penalizes a disc landing above IB ground.)



Most lost discs are errant throws. I disagree that you "can’t develop skill to avoid" losing a disc.

Badly designed holes are another issue, or maybe that's the point they are trying to make.

The old PDGA rule had the same "air" to it, except you got the +1 penalty.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, same here, it was more the non-penalty stroke aspect I like.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, when one plays without a two metre rule, and the TD adds mullies and other elements that affect play...

is one playing disc golf or snapching?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holly D wrote:
So, when one plays without a two metre rule, and the TD adds mullies and other elements that affect play...

is one playing disc golf or snapching?


One is then playing neither, said person is playing Ice League.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yeah, same here, it was more the non-penalty stroke aspect I like.


There are some courses where the no-penalty really makes sense. LNF and Kanata shouldn't have a +1 penalty for lost disc. CF? Ettyville? CF more so than Ettyville, should have the extra stroke (errant throw). Ettyville has some bunkers that are on the fairway that could cost you the extra stroke. Local rules maybe?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, when one plays without a two metre rule, and the TD adds mullies and other elements that affect play...

is one playing disc golf or snapching?


SnapChing. :shakehead: This is all we need. Another sport, that's just like DG, which is kinda like stick and ball, and I have to explain everything even more.

I think this was made with a backwards approach. First they had the name, then they worked backwards to find a way to use it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"SnapChing approved discs.", red flag. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"SnapChing approved discs.", red flag. Confused


Didn't even think about that. Do you need to send them in, or are they just piggie backing on the PDGAs approval?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMR wrote:
"SnapChing approved discs.", red flag. Confused


What's even more of a red flag are the items in the "snapching vs dg" section;

http://www.snapchingthegame.com/snapchingVSdiscgolf.html

· There is no falling putt rule or penalty.

· You’re allowed to build your stance.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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· There is no falling putt rule or penalty.



Good gracious. Paulie's going to love this. What a travesty. :shakehead:

SnapChing; the sport for the beginner
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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· Each fairway lie is a 1' circle that you touch within, rather than a 30cm line that you step on.


This one is going the right way though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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· Each fairway lie is a 1' circle that you touch within, rather than a 30cm line that you step on.


This one is going the right way though.


I do like that one.

Hopefully they get the PDGA thinking...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My questions:

How do I play from a 1 foot circle centered on my disc? Am I allowed to move the disc? Do I have to stand on my disc?

I guessing they assume these are part of the 'technical specifications' of the game.



My favourite rule:

10. Your thrown disc is deemed to rest at the instant its thrown energy ends in water, or a live vertebrate alters its flight, or the disc breaks.

So if my throw hits a jellyfish its ok?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's hilarious! Vertebrate. Nice.

It's good that it's so much easier to read too:

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7. The new lie that your throw creates is a 1’-wide circle centered below where the disc first rests. ............ (Rest = stay still two seconds.) Except: if the disc first rests as a result of hitting the right target correctly, your lie is your next tee; if the whole disc first rests on or above out-of-bounds, or crosses a no-fly line without resting earlier, your lie is your just-canceled lie; if you can’t throw at all without injury, your lie is the closest 1’-wide circle where you can.


sarcastic eye roll
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTH "no-fly line"? confused
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WTH "no-fly line"? confused


Because mandos are stupid...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you read the PDGA forum thread and see how these guys go about applying their rules, it'll give you vertigo. thumbsdown
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

burjwahzeh wrote:
If you read the PDGA forum thread and see how these guys go about applying their rules, it'll give you vertigo. thumbsdown


It's true. I could only go so far in the discussion.

Did they address something along the lines of "what recourse do I have if the TD made two different calls in two identicle situations?"

The whole thing just seems like they were frustrated with how long it takes to implement changes to the rules, so wah wah wah I'm taking my ball and going home.
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