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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Vincent Massey Ice League 010/011 1st Layout Reply with quote

What did you think?

Too long? Too short? Awesome? Hard? Easy? Fun? Boring?

Was it a good Ice League layout (because of winter conditions IL layouts tend to need shorter holes)?

What was your favourite hole? Your least favourite? Like the longs better or the shorts? Too many flick/annie shots? Not enough flick/annie shots?

We're going back January 29th. Would you want to play the same layout and have a second crack at it? Tweak it a bit (how?)? Total new layout?

Man, it was tremendous fun playing a park that in the summer would be IMPOSSIBLE to get in with a course and discs.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While we were playing I thought about JCP a lot (mostly because Andros took out OB like we used to do for JCP ILs), and started thinking about some of the layouts we used to play for IL Best-Disc-Doubles at JCP.


Basket-to-basket
The Yeti
The Itey

Iffie if you could play the Yeti or Itey at VM (only 9 baskets, but it could be done start with #1 basket to #3, #3 to #5, #5 to #7, #7 to #9 (absolutely crazy), then go from #9 to #2, #2 to #4, #4 to #6, #6 to #8, #8 to #2, something like that), but you could play Basket-to-Basket. But it's not like we're bored of VM already. Just thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved playing the Gazebo shorts. Would have loved to had a second crack at that one during the second round.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lollipops:
the massive difference from the shorts and longs on hole #1. From an easy 3 to hard 4.
Loved the vertical rule of the gazebo. Way to go OMR for sacrificing your aviar for a 3 feet putt.
Kind-a wished the water was made use of, for the fear factor.
really liked teeing off the hill (#7?) into that little dog leg on the right.

Lemon- on said hole- there had been people who got out of their car and slowly meandered to it. Before they got too close McCormick landed maybe 10 feet too far in the bush on the right. we had to holler and holler for them to look out.
and then Briggsy, OMR and I got no where near the gap, the basket, or the peanut gallery. so my Lemon for the day was not being able to park it under the basket after making people move so that we could all park it.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lollipops:
Gazebo short and long. Loved it. Required precision, which I didn't have, but I know I can do it, if I try harder!

The overall variation from shorts to longs was great, since most of the time, you were throwing the same throw, but had to do it better from the longs. Loved that.

Lemons:
7 long. Too long for me. Did anyone make the top of the hill on the drive?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lemons:
7 long. Too long for me. Did anyone make the top of the hill on the drive?


Nobody would have with that wind and the winter conditions. I wonder if Carl or Twirly could in the summer.

To really make that hole the best it could be, you'd want a perfectly thrown annie by Carl to make it to the top (lot's of danger for Carl, but he makes the shot and he's ahead of the field). From the top he's making the easy birdie 3, or attempting the field ace eagle 2.

Most of us would either annie too soon and end up in the woods, or fade out and travel back down the hill. A drive right into the hill would offer a inclined lie/run-up.

A lay-up-and-take-my-chances-at-birdie-three-shot would be to drive to the base of the hill and get it up and down from there (which is what I did after I realized how tough that wind was going to be). This should be the choice of those who are still developing their "big-arm".
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

st-ACE wrote:
Lollipops:
the massive difference from the shorts and longs on hole #1. From an easy 3 to hard 4.


Me too. Not that I loved the longs of 1, but I enjoyed the challenge of the second throw. I landed under a picnic table and had to play from there. That kind of sucked

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Loved the vertical rule of the gazebo. Way to go OMR for sacrificing your aviar for a 3 feet putt.


Very neat indeed. Would it make it "signature" status?

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Kind-a wished the water was made use of, for the fear factor.


When we did the walk-about, there wasn't snow and the path runs right beside the water. You wouldn't even have thought to looked there as the OPU situation is very apparent.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the layout and would play it again. Good combo of shorts then longs. Could have easily have been set up for long then longers which would not have been as fun.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike McCormick wrote:
I liked the layout and would play it again. Good combo of shorts then longs. Could have easily have been set up for long then longers which would not have been as fun.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For kicks and giggles:

Shorts Par

#1 - 3
#2 - 3
#3 - 3
#4 - 3
#5 - 3
#6 - 3
#7 - 3
#8 - 3
#9 - 3

Longs Par

#1 - 4
#2 - 3
#3 - 3
#4 - 3
#5 - 4
#6 - 3
#7 - 4
#8 - 3
#9 - 3

Par 57

I thought the par 4s played like true par 4s and the 3s were true as well. No real 3.5s out there.

Nice work Andros.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Person A wrote:
I loved playing the Gazebo shorts. Would have loved to had a second crack at that one during the second round.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefrey A. Brother wrote:

I thought the par 4s played like true par 4s and the 3s were true as well. No real 3.5s out there.

Nice work Andros.


More like nice work design crew. thumbsup

I think the layout worked out well it had a good mix of long and short holes.
I really liked landing shots on the pavillion and knew some would unfortunately get stuck up on the roof.

Maybe if the tee was downhill shooting up towards the pavillion that might eliminate stuck discs, something to think about I guess...

We should definitely take a second look at the park for when we're back in Jan.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the layout. Next time when deep snow limits run ups it will be tougher for sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

surge wrote:
Next time when deep snow limits run ups it will be tougher for sure.


Good point. Should some of the holes be shortened?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't play it, but helped with the layout. Glad to hear people liked it. i would think shortening things in the winter makes sense if there is snow. If it is like last year, with a hard crust i would leave it as it is and enjoy the monster skips
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