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Paul Bourgeois
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: TOSS 2009 [4] May 26: Camp Fortune Reply with quote

The Tuesday night league continues on May 26 at Camp Fortune. Action will be from the long pads.

All disc golfers are welcome regardless of ability. Even if you've never played in an ODGC event or tournament, we would like to have you join us for League Nights.

Quality footwear is required at Camp Fortune. Wear shoes appropriate for hiking on uneven terrain. Directions to the course are available if you click here.

We'll be gathering near the chalet in the upper parking lot (near the entrance to the main lodge).

Last week we were able to squeeze the round in without too much danger of lost daylight. We started just after 6:15pm. We will begin the round at 6:15pm again this week, so:
Be at the hill before 6:00 to register!

Please bring exact change. Fees are $5 for all players. ODGC memberships will be available as well.

See you on Tuesday!


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the first round of the second Quarterback Challenge of the season. Remember that you need to attend all three Quarterback Challenge rounds to be eligible for the final round QB payout.

This is going to be one of the most exciting QB challenges we've ever hosted, with rounds played at Camp Fortune, Flat Mountain, and Ettyville: three of the most challenging and exciting courses you'll find in Eastern Ontario and West Quebec. Don't miss your chance to take part in the action!
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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyle I got your Banshee in the trunk of my car. I'll be at Fortune this Tuesday.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the action being from the long tees tonight there might be some
confusion with the long tee markers used at the GOAT.
A select few long tees might not be in the right area.
Is this a problem?
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andros wrote:
With the action being from the long tees tonight there might be some
confusion with the long tee markers used at the GOAT.
A select few long tees might not be in the right area.
Is this a problem?


I was thinking the same thing. Though I'm not up on the "correct" long placements, this is what I know:

#1 is Where It's Supposed To Be
#2 is WISTB
#3 is Where it was 2 years ago
#4 NA
#5 is Where is was 2 years ago (and you appreciate a spotter at this Tee)
#6 NA
#7 is WISTB
#8 is different than I've played, but I like it (on the other side of the MNT bike trail)
#9 is WISTB
#10 is WISTB
#11 is WISTB (and at the GOAT we made closer shorts, not really relevant, just thought I'd share)
#12 is differend, but cool
#13 is WISTB
#14 is WISTB
#15 is WISTB
#16 is WISTB
#17 NA
#18 is new, and fun.

I say WISTB because I played these Tees two years ago, except for #2, but there's big cinder blocks there marking the Tee.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody asked for my opinion but here goes:

I think hole #5s long tee is terrible when we play it way up by the chair lift. Precisely because you need a spotter. Its really the only hole on the course where this is required and as a result slows down play.
Also I don't think anyone wants to be spotter guy the weekend we have the capital classic. Lets save some resources by declaring this job obsolete.

We could also have just an alternate tee about the same or shorter distance. Or have only one tee(my prefered option). Even where we had it some years ago about 50 - 100ft back from the short tee. Any of these alternatives would be better IMHO.

Claus
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#2 could be moved up a bit to avoid an uphill run-up.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surge , maudit que t'es momounne...

Cours pas stainte-beux..... big grin

J'vas l'applatir mon tee off.... cool
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

momoune ton nez dans mon cul l'gros, c'est rien que mon opinion.
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Paul Bourgeois
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conditions: Cloudy
Temp: 16C
Wind: E17km/h
Full results to follow.

Nice job, Carl, Andrew, and Shane.


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the teepad for #5 long was great last night. Good job who ever put it there.

In my earlier post I was trying to make sure that the original tee much further up the hill was not going to be used. Maybe this was an irrational fear.

Claus
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clausr wrote:
I thought the teepad for #5 long was great last night. Good job who ever put it there.

In my earlier post I was trying to make sure that the original tee much further up the hill was not going to be used. Maybe this was an irrational fear.

Claus


We moved it last night from were you thought it was going to be. It was played at the top for the GOAT. It was a joint effort in finding that Tee.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet it was big grin . Even tough it is not all that much longer, it gives you a totally different look at that hole. Shot selection is key here. There is a lot of fairway to work with and that's not always a good thing.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roxie wrote:
I bet it was big grin . Even tough it is not all that much longer, it gives you a totally different look at that hole. Shot selection is key here. There is a lot of fairway to work with and that's not always a good thing.


I found it very different throwing from the left side. Shot selection is vital. I thought I picked right with my Valk and ended up in the bush, near the pin, on the right side. I've never thrown that shot before
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A request for a ruling was made last night with regards to #13 and the water that is there.

I have been clear in establishing that all water at Camp Fortune is casual EXCEPT that on #13 which is a water hazard. There was no specification of a drop zone on Tuesdays, and this was stated explicitly last week.

Much to my embarassment, there is no such thing as a water hazard defined in the rules. According to the rules of disc golf, water is either casual, or it is OB, or it is something else (see 800 Definitions Casual Water).

It was always my intention to make the water on this particular run a risk factor for players making long putts. This is why it was given special status.

Regrettably, the OB rule in disc golf makes OB areas BEYOND the basket but near it rather silly. That you can drop a disc closer to the basket, even underneath it, after going OB has never sat well with me because it makes a backstop out of the OB area. This is dealt with successfully by using a drop zone, but that was always precluded on Tuesdays.

That the water was never declared OB explicitly (and I stand to be corrected if I did indeed do this last Tuesday) means that a strict OB interpretation would be excessive to those that understood the water to be a hazard, or simply put, something other than casual and something other than OB. In essence, my own ambiguous declaration of the nature of the water is subject to interpretation.

One player indicated to me that he played a provisional shot treating the water as OB, and another treating the water on this run as an obstacle (i.e. he stood in the water). The obstacle interpretation fits the "other" status as indicated above, and I accept the score submitted which includes the shot made while standing in the creek.

Another player threw into the water and did not take a provisional throw. He treated the water as an obstacle, but did not honour the OB rule and did not throw a provisional. This player's score will be honoured as submitted, though it would have been MUCH prefered that this player had used the provisional throw rule so as to avoid the risk of a 2-stroke penalty for playing from an incorrect lie. Please treat this as an example of what NOT to do when there is a question of interpretation of the rules.

A third player had their disc go in the water and took a 1m drop and penalty stroke. This score will also be honoured. Note that the player indicated that they did not want to stand in the water to make their throw.

You can expect a much more clear indication of the nature of the creek on #13 when we play there in two weeks.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is the proper procedure if one goes in the water on #13?
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roxie wrote:
So what is the proper procedure if one goes in the water on #13?


Paul Bourgeois wrote:
...You can expect a much more clear indication of the nature of the creek on #13 when we play there in two weeks.


Play however you want. I'll make it clear how its handled on Tuesdays before we go back.

Chuck is the course manager; decisions on design intention are best directed to him.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adjusted Round Results
TOSS 2009 [4] 26/05/2009
QB 2.1
Conditions: Cloudy
Temp:16C
Wind: E17km/h
12 players participated in this round.
Action from CFDG Longs
RankPlayer NameScoreHandicapAdjusted Score
1
2
3
4
5
6
6
8
9
10
11
12
Visser, Carl
Vallee, Andrew
Kilpatrick, Shane
Meldrum, Jeff
Penton, Geoff
Reitlingshoefer, Claus
Bourgeois, Paul
Rowland, Geoff
Darcovich, Ken
Schnobb, Gavin
Seguin, Serge
McLeod, David
53
63
62
57
56
61
70
60
63
71
68
72
5.7
13.9
11.5
5.9
4.1
7.3
16.3
5.2
5.7
13.3
8.9
12.6
47.3
49.1
50.5
51.1
51.9
53.7
53.7
54.8
57.3
57.7
59.1
59.4


Congratulations, Carl, Andrew, and Shane! Your fine rounds earned you $18, $12, and $6 respectively.

This was the first round of the second quarterback challenge of the season. The results:

RankNameRound 1Round 2Round 3Total
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
7
9
10
11
12
Visser, Carl
Penton, Geoff
Meldrum, Jeff
Rowland, Geoff
Reitlingshoefer, Claus
Kilpatrick, Shane
Darcovich, Ken
Vallee, Andrew
Seguin, Serge
Bourgeois, Paul
Schnobb, Gavin
McLeod, David
53
56
57
60
61
62
63
63
68
70
71
72
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
53
56
57
60
61
62
63
63
68
70
71
72


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say creek should be OB and have a drop zone. Having the creek in-bounds takes away half the excitement on the hole.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if its OB we wont have to stand in the river. Then all the chemicals from our shoes that are made in China wont get into the stream and kill all the little bugs.

Actually im going to go look on my shoes now and see where they are made smile
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