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andros
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: PDGA approved plastic Reply with quote

I have a Gateway Wizard putter that is a great putter to use in the rain.
It has some sort of chalky substance that makes it very grippy in wet weather.
It also has a stamp on the top that says "prototype", which brings me to my question;

Can I use this disc at a PDGA event (such as the CC) seeing as it is a "prototype"?
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Thumber
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it have a PDGA Approved stamp on it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShaneK wrote:
Does it have a PDGA Approved stamp on it?


Definitely not. Do you mean the foil sticker?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most of my discs have PDGA approved stamped right on them somewhere....
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it written in Latin? laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wizard was approved for use in '02.
Does this disc predate that time?

The disc does not have to be stamped PDGA approved in order to be compliant. The PDGA automatically licenses to manufacturers to use their name on mark on discs that have been approved, but it is not required.

The disc must meet the specifications as identified by the PDGA. Believe it or not, the onus is on the manufacturer to identify if their prototype discs for an approved mold fall out of the guidelines for approval.

You best bet: email the manufacturer and request confirmation that you can use the disc. If you can use it, print out the confirmation and keep it with you at the tournament. If you can not use it, avoid the controversy and leave it at home.

Does the disc just say "Wizard"? By the rules that manufacturers must use for marking discs, it's compliant. If it says "Wizard-X" or "Wizard-Chalk Dust", it doesn't meet the specs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even think it says Wizard at all I was just told it was one.
It says "Gateway Prototype" on the top stamp.
And on the bottom; 175 Proto is written in a silver sharpie.
I don't intend to bring it to the CC as the weather looks good.
(knocks on wood)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andros wrote:
I don't even think it says Wizard at all I was just told it was one.
It says "Gateway Prototype" on the top stamp.
And on the bottom; 175 Proto is written in a silver sharpie.
I don't intend to bring it to the CC as the weather looks good.
(knocks on wood)

Where this disc does not have a mark identifiying it as being from an approved mold and otherwise meeting the formula for an approved golf disc, it is not approved for tournament use and would be considered an illegal disc for tournament play.

Regards,
-P
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andros
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Bourgeois wrote:
andros wrote:
I don't even think it says Wizard at all I was just told it was one.
It says "Gateway Prototype" on the top stamp.
And on the bottom; 175 Proto is written in a silver sharpie.
I don't intend to bring it to the CC as the weather looks good.
(knocks on wood)

Where this disc does not have a mark identifiying it as being from an approved mold and otherwise meeting the formula for an approved golf disc, it is not approved for tournament use and would be considered an illegal disc for tournament play.

Regards,
-P


Thank you Paul.
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andros
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I went home to further inspect my "Prototype" putter and much to my amazement there
was legitimate writing stamped on to the bottom stating it is PDGA approved.

So my final question to close this thread is this;
Can I use a PDGA approved disc at a PDGA event even though it's a prototype?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have alway wondered about that. I have a Dare Devil midrange proto, that I probobly would like, but never play with it because I would not really want to deal with explaining stuff 1/2 way through a round,
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